Update: I just spoke to a representative at Holland America who both apologized to me and assured me that they are going to make sure this sort of thing does not happen on their line again.
My main goal with this post was the bring light to the issue and prevent it from happening to other transgender and genderqueer people in the future; and I feel more confident after speaking to HAL that they are going to educate their crews. Thank you all for reading and helping me raise awareness.
Now that I have some version of my opinions on the cruise out of the way (summary: fucking amazing, a++++++ would buy again), I have to vent a little. This post would more accurately be titled “Holland America: The Bad” as the things I am going to talk about in no way reflect the actions or attitudes of the people who ran JoCoCruiseCrazy 2, or the other people on the cruise for that matter.
(Trigger warning: trans-harassment)
So as you may know from reading here or knowing me in person, I am a transgender woman. The Holland America staff on the Westerdam (in particular, the drinks/bartending staff) kind of treated me like dirt as the cruise progressed. I am writing this to create awareness as I think they some of their staff on the Westerdam could use a lesson in appropriateness.
I am in the middle of transition and I only sort of pass (mostly due to my voice). I look like this:

At first things seemed fine. The staff was very courteous and would refer to me as “ma’am” when I interacted with them. Of course everyone who was part of our group on the cruise (sea-monkeys and organizers), and frankly everyone else I talked to who was not part of our group (snorks, who were generally retirement-age and not necessarily the kind of people I would expect to get it right), they all got it right. And for most of the week I was wearing a large yellow badge with my name “Alice” written clearly.
The problem is that I have not yet had my name legally changed. Specifically this meant that my male name was on my room card (which is used onboard as a form of credit). This meant that any time I would give my card to a bartender or waiter while ordering a drink there was a very awkward “Is this your card? / …yes it is” exchange.
Moreover almost every single time a staff member would hand me back my card, they would immediately start referring to me with male pronouns or my male name. I realize I should have said something sooner, but at first I wanted to just let it slide. I thought maybe context would be enough, or the fact that most evenings I was wearing makeup and some form of cocktail dress would clue them in. I also really hate public confrontation, so I just sort of hoped they would start getting right. They never did.
Worse, as the week went on I noticed a trend where the waitstaff were giving me weird looks and addressing me with male pronouns before I showed them my room card. I guess word got around. I had to avoid specific bars at specific times to avoid being called “sir” before I was even able to order a drink.
This climaxed at the final cocktail party on Saturday, a private event for the JCCC2 group only, where the waitstaff who were walking around with trays of drinks were calling out my (male) name at me and laughing at each other as if it were a big joke. I guess I was a joke to them.
About the only thing that kept me from breaking down at this point was it was the last event of the cruise and I wanted to run around and try to say goodbye to everyone I had met, but I spent the evening avoiding every single waiter I could.
I do not think I am overreacting or being paranoid, I have been harassed in public before. I know what it feels like. And what started out as a weird form of the staff trying to adhere to their (wrong) sense of social etiquette, by the end of the cruise felt like genuine harassment.
I thought the whole point of being on a cruise was that you pay a large chunk of money to be treated for a week or however long by a staff who wants to help you relax and have fun. I was having fun, but I was not relaxing at all based on the way I was treated by the Holland America staff.
Again, I should have spoken up sooner but the joy being part of the JCCC2 group experience was enough that almost helped me ignore the shit I was dealing with. I did, on Saturday night after hitting my limit, file a complaint with the front desk. I stated everything I said here, the wrong pronouns and the seeming organized harassment by the staff, and I wrote as much on my cruise survey as well.
And I get that Holland America probably has no policy on this, that they are primarily serving a retiree-aged crowd (it was a big in-joke all week) and they do not deal with transgender people often. But I found their behavior unacceptable and I sincerely hope it was just a case of ignorance that can be dealt with and not some sort of malice. I have to assume it was ignorance and can only hope they learn and teach their staff acceptable behavior around people who are transgender.
I have requested that JoCoCruiseCrazy 3 not be with Holland America for this reason, and if it is I am seriously going to have to consider if I can go again on principle or not.

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March 13, 2012 at 2:26 am
Angela Brett
Aww, I had no idea that was going on.
I wonder if CeeCee had any similar problems.
March 13, 2012 at 4:20 am
Yuri de Groot
Maybe they just need a bit of educating. I’d like to think they intended no malice and were probably oblivious to the fact that their behaviour was hurting you.
March 13, 2012 at 9:47 am
Alice
I agree, especially at the HAL level. My main hope for writing this was to draw attention to the situation and not to drum up pity for me.
Though what felt like systematic teasing at the end of the cruise by the staff was unacceptable regardless of who or what they were making fun of.
March 13, 2012 at 5:40 am
DoctorAicha
This pisses me off so much. Who freaking cares? You are awesome just as you are and a fun chica to play with and talk to. How dare they?
March 13, 2012 at 6:35 am
Numbski
It’s difficult to be fair, as not only are they not accustomed to our age group, I was of the impression our crew was Indonesian. That means we have to take into account the crew’s home culture as well. I don’t know how common it is in Indonesia.
Laughing is not, and would not be acceptable.
Now, I don’t even know how common transgendered-ness (is that even correct?) is local to me, but I’m pretty sure it isn’t common “in my world” – the people I interact with and the places I go. It is very rare. Left to my own devices, if a man dressed in women’s clothing were to approach me as a food service person – which I did plenty of when I was younger – despite the old saying, the clothes don’t make the person. I’d still refer to him as “sir”. It’s not a matter of disrespect. I have conflicting information in front of me and I’m left to my own devices to make an educated guess. Some are less educated on this topic than others. I’ll admit, I’m incredibly ignorant.
To further confuse matters, when my wife and I were headed to the Lido deck after one of the formal nights, Scarface was headed up as well, and was wearing a dress. I *jokingly* went to let him by, and went “Ladies first.”, and he quickly corrected me. Up to that evening, I didn’t even know who Scarface was because I’d not spent much time around JoCo’s fan base. A mistake I intend to correct henceforth, but nonetheless – especially until your name is legally changed, it is somewhat unfair to hold accountable someone working foodservice for taking a guess and the sir/ma’am thing and getting it “wrong”. The name bade would be of no help, as I went to high school with a male “Alice”.
Just the same, making a joke out of *anyone* is inappropriate, and ESPECIALLY a group of geeks. Something tells me we’re all a bit more sensitive to anything even coming close to bullying.
My apologies as well for not noticing and taking action to help. I would like to think that if any one of us would have known what was going on, we would have taken action.
I will apologize for myself in advance though. I feel that even though I now know this I’m going to say something hurtful in the future due to my own ignorance. No harm is intended.
March 13, 2012 at 9:44 am
Alice
I understand that the crew was Indonesian and their culture is different, but they also work for a major international cruise line that I would hope to know better. I do think this was a case of ignorance and my main reason for writing this post was hopefully to draw awareness to the situation.
It did bother me that I was called ma’am until people saw my card and then immediately called ‘sir’ for the rest of the exchange. But I was willing to let it slide until things seemed to escalate later in the week.
That said, not every transperson has the means to do a full transition with legal name and gender change. Many are unable to for reasons outside their control. They should still be treated with the same respect as people who can, and that requires a little effort on the part of HAL in this case.
And to counteract what you say, the clothes do make the person. Though it is not just about clothes, it is about how people present themselves, introduce themselves and self-identify. Gender can be much more confusing than society (which tries to enforce a strict gender binary and assign everyone to one side or the other) would let you believe.
March 13, 2012 at 8:44 am
Julia
!!
This is completely unacceptable. *hugs*
March 13, 2012 at 9:03 am
Kristin
Very disheartened to hear that this was going on. :^(
March 13, 2012 at 9:35 am
Angela Brett
Oh also, regarding your last paragraph: Feel free to threaten to boycott a HAL cruise in order to encourage HAL to educate their staff (a group of 500+ moving to a different line ought to put some pressure on them), but (attention: contradiction ahead) please come on JoCo Cruise Crazy 3 anyway, because we’d miss you otherwise.
March 13, 2012 at 9:50 am
Alice
Mostly I just hope HAL can learn a lesson from this. It is such an easy thing to fix.
I will probably sign up for JCCC3 if it is on HAL (personally speaking, my legal name change will have gone through by then) but I know that I am going to have to be more proactive if their attitude does not change.
March 13, 2012 at 10:55 am
Mary
Alice I’m so sorry! What upset me most about your post is how horribly you were treated at our last cocktail party! That is bullying and totally unacceptable. Sure maybe you’re right that you should have told them you prefer ma’am or miss from day one, but they should never ever mock, put down, laugh at, or harass any guest. There is no excuse for that behavior. What they should have done was ask how you prefer to be addressed, not made fun of you.
March 13, 2012 at 11:51 am
karen star-star
Some of us were dressed crazy. the staff could have thought you were in ‘costume’. not to make excuses, but they just might not be up on what to do, especially with a rather ‘strange’ bunch like us. perhaps if you had said at the first instance, “I prefer to be addressed as ma’am, please.” maybe that word would have gotten around, too. or if you had gone to the front desk & simply stated your situation. i know…why should you have to do that. Because…you have a rather unique situation. Similar to those i have seen on cruises with assistance dogs. they are educating other cruisers all day long. i’m sorry you were not treated in the manner you wished, & please don’t stay away from the next cruise because of it. JoCo could also put this on their list of issues to discuss with ship staff before JoCo3. Don’t let the world get you down!
March 13, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Dantes
*hug* I’m sorry to hear about this, it’s unacceptable behaviour, whether or not it was intended. But it probably would have been better if you had spoken up about it earlier and corrected them, since if someone’s doing something wrong and you don’t tell them about it, they won’t know they’re doing it and won’t change their own behaviour.
March 13, 2012 at 1:21 pm
blackpigshop
Hi Alice, I’ve seen you over at the forums. Having just read this I felt the need to comment. Apologies if I get overly rambly.
I really hate this sort of thing.
To give you an idea I am male, however I have chosen for years to have very long hair. In fact having just had about 8 inch cut off it it is still in the middle of my back. So I have faced no end of hassle about this in life, including the threat of bodily violence from some particularly idiotic types.
To that end I can sympathise to an extent with you, although I cannot truly imagine what your own situation is like.
To some extent certain things are to be expected, if you present a card to someone with a different name on it at all you could expect it to be checked, and with it being a male name that would be something that would have to be checked in case the card in question was stolen. This is an unfortunate state of affairs. But the same would happen in all cases you would hope.
What is unforgivable is any boorish attitude afterwards. I am buddhist (don’t worry I’m not out to convert anyone!) and as such try and treat people with respect regardless of creed, colour, age, race or gender. Treating anyone with less than the respect you would hope to receive from them is wrong for any reason.
You should have corrected them, it would have at least stopped anything out ward and in truth you are still a trail blazer for this. Correcting people will force them to accept what is in front of them rather than hide behind jokes. If acceptance of a man with long hair hasn’t fully happened transgender will probably have some way to go so I doubt this will be the only time you face this.
For this I am sorry and wish I had the power to change the world.
I also think you should confront HAL about this, at least to make sure others don’t go through the same thing. I hope that JCCC3 is on a different line so you are able to enjoy it again, or that you are able to overcome this bad experience as next year is a whole new thing. I’ve never found doing anything on principle to harm anyone but myself in the long run.
Please take anything I’ve said here positively, I really am on your side on this one. Discrimination on any ground royally angers me. The world will get there one day and it is people like yourself who will make it happen.
Take care.
March 13, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Bridget McManus (@BMMcManus)
Alice, this is very disappointing news. I was very unaware that this was taking place and am so sorry you were mistreated in such a way. I am hopeful that the folks at Holland America have heard you and will do something about this to train their personnel to respect and be sensitive to everyone regardless of gender, ethnicity, race, age or anything else.
March 13, 2012 at 1:36 pm
pie bob (@djpiebob)
i am really hoping that your calm and reasoned complaint to HAL will work, and that their staff will be informed and educated appropriately. the way their staff treated you is utterly crappy, and i hope you recover from it. i look forward to seeing you next time!
March 13, 2012 at 2:52 pm
whichwaytowhere
Alice, Thank you for taking the time to let us all know about this AND for your strength and resolve in addressing the situation when you felt up to it while not letting it ruin JCCC2 for you!
I love all the dialogue, both supportive and thoughtful, that so many have contributed.
There is just one thing I want to add and that is: transgender folks come in all ages! There have been a few comments about the older folks just not understanding the younger generation but being transgender is not limited to any age group. So I think this issue is super relevant to everyone, even the average HAL guest and I thank you for bringing it up with them.
March 13, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Sue Grandys
Alice – I thought you were really cool and beautiful on the cruise, and wish I had talked to you more, but I was pretty sick and out of it for the first half. Next year if it is on HAL, and they give you grief, I’ll tell them what for! Please come back!
March 13, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Glenn Basden
Alice, I’m so sorry you were treated that way. There are a lot of cultural barriers, but that doesn’t excuse any person working in a service industry from mocking a guest. We enjoyed meeting you on the cruise and it would be a shame to not see you again next year.
March 14, 2012 at 7:05 am
Elizabeth Moore
It’s unfortunate that this was the case, especially when I saw that in the official (non-JCCC) cruise event list, they had listed LGBT meetups and whatnot. I specifically commented to my boyfriend “Wow, how cool! This is probably the last cruise line I would have expected to have something like that!”
I’m so sorry you had to go through that mess. I also regret not having the opportunity to meet you in person, but I’m stupidly shy and it just never seemed like a good time to barge into your conversation and introduce myself. I almost did on Half Moon Cay when I saw that we had on the same swimsuit, but I didn’t want to interrupt your shape-making with Vi.
I hope you make it on the next one. I know for sure you’ll have a WHOLE LOT of people who will have your back, and stand up for you if something similar even begins to happen like this again – count myself as one of them. <3
March 14, 2012 at 11:19 pm
Alice
Hi! Thanks for the kind words. I actually felt the exact same way on HMC when I saw you as well
You seemed really cool even though we never got to talk while on the boat.
I am definitely going to be back next year, the outpouring of support from seamonkeys has been incredible and if they do go with HAL again I need to make sure they are keeping their word about educating their crews about transpeople and harassment of anyone.
March 14, 2012 at 12:50 pm
thevicwu
I know everything is included in the price of the cruise but if I recall from my previous cruises the staff typically expect tips. In that case, I hope you didn’t leave them anything because they certainly didn’t earn it. I also hope that HAL makes a policy against transphobia and/or JCCC decides not to go with them next time.
March 14, 2012 at 11:20 pm
Alice
I tipped some people, but anyone who started referring to me as “sir” I gave nothing. It seemed like there was much less of an emphasis on tipping on this cruise.
March 14, 2012 at 8:41 pm
chicken_bazoom
Alice, sorry to hear that this happened to you, but am glad that HAL reached out to you to address it. You are awesome and I’m so glad to have met you!
March 15, 2012 at 7:42 am
Cooperjohn
It might take a long time before most of the world realizes that self identity trumps any other identity placed on us from any other person or group. I’m hoping this realization comes soon, but I think we’re in for a long transition at best. I hope I see you on the next cruise, Alice. I didn’t get a chance to say hi, but I’ll make an effort next time. Obviously, I would much rather switch from HAL to another, more considerate line than not see you with the rest of the sea monkeys.
March 15, 2012 at 4:41 pm
achernow
Boo! *hugs girl*
This is just pure and total bull crap! I’m glad it seems like there’s been some outreach by both HAL and JoCo to help address the problems.
~A
March 24, 2012 at 4:58 pm
defaultlisa
Hi, Alice, I was on the cruise as well and had no idea that was happening to a fellow sea monkey, but that’s just awful. I hope Holland America takes some steps to provide sensitivity training to their crew.